1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 On this episode of Ghost Hunters, Dave Tango's father returns to taps with a case from New Jersey law enforcement law. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,000 People will see her in the cemetery and the hallways and the rotunda. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 The Union County Courthouse has father and son chasing their tails. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Dave, where are you at? 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 No, no, no, hold on. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 That's weird. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 But the cameras catch the unprecedented. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Oh, look at that. We've been doing this for about 20 years and I don't know how to explain it. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Then, when the paranormal plagues their home, a family with a one-year-old child turns to taps for answers. 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 The couch would move away from the end tables. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 But will a voice from above bring a solution to the mystery? 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Amy, one of the reporters is a radio poppin on and it's on. 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Yep, there you go. It's on. 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 She's up. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Hey, Chris, what's up? 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Hey, Grant, I got a case from Remba, UN, Jason. 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Okay. 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,000 It was actually brought to us by Bruce Pango. It's the Union County Courthouse in Elizabeth, New Jersey. 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 So what's going on over there? 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:19,000 As far as activity, I was told that doors open and slams shut and they've seen the female apparition. 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,000 All right, well, I'll tell you what. Tell us more about it. We'll be over there. 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 We're just finishing up this hot water heater. 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 All right, I'll see you guys in a little bit. 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 All right, take it easy, but... 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000 All right, well, we're heating up the temperature, so we're good, man. 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 All right, give me that. 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 All right, let's do it. 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Chris just told us about a case that was brought to our attention by Bruce Pango, Union County Courthouse. 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,000 You know, seeing full-body apparitions, inside elevators, walking down hallways, things of that nature. 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 It's always a pleasure to be able to get out there and help out long enough to get out there and get out there and get out there. 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 and help out law enforcement. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 And it'll be nice having Dave's dad with us on this investigation. 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,000 So, hey, Bruce, what's some of the claims that you know that go on here? 34 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,000 When I became a police officer in 1974 in this town, I had started hearing the stories. 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,000 People would see Hannah in the cemetery and the hallways and the rotunda, you know. 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 I tell you, Jay, I'm really excited. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 We're just about there, guys, so let's do this. I think this is going to be a great case. 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Sounds good. See you there. 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Hey, how are you? 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Jay, it's good to have you with us. 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Thanks for having us. 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 How are you doing, Sheriff? 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Very, very well. 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 I'm Steve. 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Nice to meet you. 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 I'm glad you're here. 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 There are a number of things, Jay, that you may be interested in in your work, 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,000 whether it's the four inmates that were executed right here, right behind the building many, many years ago, 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,000 or the phenomenal history of Hannah Caldwell. 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Absolutely. 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 We hear there's a lot of claims in here of people seeing her, so why don't you show us the hotspots? 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Well, here we are, probably in one of the oldest cemeteries in the city of Elizabeth, 53 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,000 possibly the county of Union. 54 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 You look at these stones and you can see that most of them come from the Revolutionary War. 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,000 That's where Hannah Caldwell allegedly became the heroine of one of the Revolutionary battles. 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Back here, that ground floor window is where Duke Menze, a friend of mine, 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,000 allegedly saw the apparition that he thought was Hannah Caldwell. 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Right there where that mound is. 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Hannah Caldwell is reportedly the first woman killed in the American Revolution, 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 and she's actually buried right next to the courthouse. 61 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Her husband, Reverend James Caldwell, was otherwise known as the Fighting Parsons, 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 and he led the New Jersey volunteers against the British in the Revolutionary War. 63 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000 At one point, the soldiers had run out of wadding for their guns, 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,000 and he went to the church, grabbed the pages from the hymnals, and used that to pack the muskets. 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Okay. 66 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,000 This is where Duke Menze sat. 67 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:56,000 He said he came in, put the drape up, looked outside, and saw this apparition that he thought was Hannah Caldwell. 68 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,000 It was a clear day. It wasn't raining, no clouds, nothing. 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Any reason why there would be an apparition out there? 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Months earlier, two homeless men had broken into one of the crypts. 71 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,000 They were apprehended by the Elizabeth police, along with the things that they had stolen out of the crypt. 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,000 The morning that they were putting those artifacts back into the cemetery 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000 was the morning that Duke Menze allegedly saw Hannah Caldwell. 74 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Oh, wow. 75 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 That's very interesting, Sheriff. 76 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000 There are things we don't understand, things we don't know about yet. 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Maybe you can shed some light on that. 78 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 We hope to. 79 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 All right, so where to now? 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 We go up to the record room. 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,000 There you go. 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 All right, gentlemen. 83 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:46,000 This is just a small portion of our record room, and we've had strange things happen in this area. 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Such as? 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Well, these doors. 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Two hours left in the shift, I'm sitting at the atrium desk. 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 I hear the doors above me with just a record room. 88 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 It's just our opening and closing. 89 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 The two double doors were locked previously when I checked them the first time. 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 I go upstairs to the record room, and I looked around at the area to see who was around. 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 I was by myself, and I see the door wide open unlocked. 92 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Look at this room. 93 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Isn't this beautiful? 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000 This is what they call the rotunda, allegedly. 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:23,000 The apparition of a woman in a filmy dress was seen many, many times in this rotunda. 96 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Okay. Anything else? 97 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Those are the things that have been reported to me over a long period of time. 98 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Oh, Ralph, looks like we've got our work cut out for us. 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 We had a large area and a lot of different claims. 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,000 So from here, we're going to go talk to the rest of the team, start setting up equipment, and see what we can catch with it. 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Okay, I'm ready. 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 All right, man, thank you. 103 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Take care. 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Come on, let's get out of here. 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Hopefully now, they can put some pieces together in a very, very intricate puzzle. 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,000 I'm anxious to see just what takes place between now and when the morning. 107 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 This type of case is one of the toughest ones. 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Where the activity is not necessarily in a specific location makes it very difficult. 109 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:07,000 The odds that you're in the right place at the right time, or you're pointing your camera at the exact right spot, it's very slim. 110 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 May I go in closer with this, or is it good there? 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I think we may have to open that window. 112 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,000 What we'll do is we'll position them in the most appropriate place and do our best to attract activity to that area. 113 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Hopefully Hannah will show herself tonight. 114 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Can I get this in? 115 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 It's really cool to have my dad here. 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,000 You know, he's a great investigator. He actually got me into the paranormal. 117 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 We're in his hometown. He's very excited. I'm excited too, just to have him here. 118 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Nice. Thanks, Dad. 119 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I am too, please. 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Alright guys, so we're all set. 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 All set. Guys, these are the camera angles that we have based on the stories, of course. 122 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 If you like them, we'll lock them down. 123 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000 You start here. This is the courtroom where the painting of her husband, Hannah Colville, her husband is in the back there. 124 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Now, camera two is one side of the rotunda. 125 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,000 We did two cameras for the rotunda, and of course this is that upper balcony. 126 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,000 And the next camera is the same thing, but the exact opposite side. 127 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,000 So between the two cameras there, we have both sides pretty much completely covered. 128 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Camera four, this is actually right at the window, pointed out, and this all here is the graveyard. 129 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,000 And our last camera here, guys, is in the records room. 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000 And this is on the balcony, pointed down. 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,000 This is, you know, basically the whole records room in just one shot. 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,000 So anything that happens in there, we'll get on camera. 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,000 We do have a mini-DV in the records room as well. 134 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Awesome. 135 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 We'll tip the lights out, man. Let's do this. 136 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Okay, cool. Ready for lights out. 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Sounds good. 138 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Dave, did you remember me coming home telling you when you were a kid about this place? 139 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Yeah. 140 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 I remember showing me the newspaper articles and stuff. 141 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,000 There'd always be something happening here. 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,000 You know, I never thought in million years I'd be here with you guys, you know. 143 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 This is some place. 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Elizabeth Courthouse, second floor of Rotunda. 145 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Investigation handheld. 146 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Hannah, my name's Steve. 147 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Hello, I'm Dave. I'm Bruce. 148 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Bruce and Dave both live in New Jersey. 149 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Dave's father was a police officer right here in Elizabeth for quite some time. 150 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 He served some duties in this Courthouse. 151 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 You may have seen him before. 152 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Hannah, there's two stories that you were shot inside. 153 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Were your children were? 154 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:48,000 And the other stories you were shot outside your house, right outside the door by the British soldier. 155 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Were you inside or outside? 156 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Steve, I want to start snapping some pictures. 157 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Okay. 158 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Hannah, we're looking for proof. 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 We're looking for proof that you're here with us. 160 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Oh, f***. Dave, where are you at? 161 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I just heard a sound right behind me. 162 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 I was sitting by the railing on the top floor of Rotunda looking down. 163 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 I heard something to my left, like footsteps. 164 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:44,000 I'm going to walk around in that little area and tell me if it sounds like it's coming from here because this is a round area. 165 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 I know. 166 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 All right. 167 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Can you still hear my footsteps? 168 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 It was probably you, probably an echo of some sort. 169 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 No, no, no, hold on. I heard the same noise. 170 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Were you hearing footsteps? 171 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Yeah, it was something like right behind me. 172 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 It is. 173 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 I heard a sound right behind me. 174 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 I heard a sound right behind me. 175 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 I heard a sound right behind me. 176 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I heard a sound right behind me. 177 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 I heard it. 178 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,000 I'm telling you, right here, right right there, it was like right behind me. 179 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 It's not here. 180 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Nothing. 181 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,000 It happened again and Steve came over and we had a high EMF reading. 182 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Was it like that over by you? 183 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 No. 184 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Steady too. 185 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 0.4. 186 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000 I get it. 187 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 I don't know where this EMF is coming from. 188 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 So there might have been something there. 189 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Jane Grant, Union County Courthouse, heading into the records room. 190 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Right now this is the door that he said opened and closed even though they were locked. 191 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,000 They could just work computers, huh? 192 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Except this stuff's a whole lot harder to delete. 193 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Hey, Jane, the door was just making noise. 194 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 What, that window open? 195 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 It just made a couple of squeaks before, just... 196 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 There it is. 197 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Just do it. 198 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 You could hear the wind pushing through the tail there. 199 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Yeah, that squeaking sound. 200 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 That's not going to take much effort at all. 201 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Hey, it could easily be him confused with, you know, he's thinking the door's opening and closing, but it's just rattling. 202 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 It's a really calm night. 203 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 We got some wind coming through, but it's really weak. 204 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,000 The minute that wind cuts through those buildings, it speeds up, just like when you're in downtown New York. 205 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And all of a sudden, you know, it becomes a 40-mile-an-hour wind gust. 206 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 And that would be more than enough to rattle it at least. 207 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:18,000 We're not saying that this is what everybody here has experienced, but it's an alternative explanation. 208 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Hannah, are you here? This is... My name is Grant. 209 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000 I'm Jason. 210 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 We don't want to bother you in any way, but we would love to talk to you. 211 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Now, why would Hannah come in here, unless you're just curious? 212 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 I don't know. 213 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Could be something that has sparked some interest. 214 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Could be she just walks through. 215 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,000 We tried to call her out, but to no avail. 216 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 But, you know, hopefully the evidence will show more. 217 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 We're moving on, Hannah. 218 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,000 You're welcome to come hang out at any time. 219 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,000 This is Chris and Amy in the courtroom area. 220 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Amy and I were investigating the courtroom. 221 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,000 The only report here was people have seen the ghost of Hannah walk into the courtroom from the hall. 222 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 And so I guess Hannah used to walk through those doors and up to the painting. 223 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000 There was a very straightforward claim here. 224 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,000 People claimed to see Hannah walk in and walk up to the painting of her husband. 225 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 I want to see Hannah. 226 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Me too. 227 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Hello? Hannah, are you here? 228 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Hannah, why do you return to this courthouse so often? 229 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Amy and I sat at the window. 230 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,000 The window was a good spot because you could see where all the light was coming in from the street. 231 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 And you also got a view of the entire courtroom. 232 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Hannah, please step right up and speak your name into the object on the chair. 233 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,000 We would absolutely love it. 234 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Your husband, he's a good man. 235 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 He was known as a great soldier. 236 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:01,000 He must really love and miss your husband to be coming in here to look at a painting of him. 237 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,000 As you can see, Hannah, we're two friendly girls. 238 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 You're more than welcome to come and spend some time with us. 239 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 What town were you born in? 240 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Hannah, we can't stay much longer, unfortunately. 241 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,000 We are really hoping to catch a glimpse of you or get a few words from you. 242 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 That's weird. 243 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Amy and I were investigating the courtroom on the 5th floor of the Unicounty Courthouse. 244 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000 That's weird. 245 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 And I saw what I thought was a shadow. 246 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Did you? Yeah. 247 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Did you see that too? No, I just heard, I was looking away when I heard something. 248 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 I heard something and then right in front of that door I saw a streak of dark. 249 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,000 It sounded like a rustle or like something moving. 250 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,000 It was like right here. It just went down like that. 251 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,000 I wasn't looking the right direction so I missed whatever Chris thought. 252 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,000 But at least we both were able to hear the noise. It sounded like a rustling like... 253 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Definitely, whatever it was, it had some height to it. 254 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 I saw it up in this area. And it was going toward the painting, right? 255 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Yeah, it was going towards the painting. That was weird. 256 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 That was strange. 257 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 The door is locked so there's no way anybody could sneak in. 258 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 But I saw something block out the shine from the door. 259 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,000 I saw something Amy, I don't know what it is. I'm not going to say, oh my god, it's paranormal. 260 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 But I... Yeah. 261 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 It doesn't make sense to me. 262 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:46,000 And I am hoping that DVR camera possibly caught the shadow that I saw because it was shooting in that direction. 263 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Last time I was there, I was just... 264 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Years ago I was chasing somebody through that cemetery. 265 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Oh, it's a... 266 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 This is something. 267 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Yeah? 268 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Look at these headstones. They... 269 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 They back to the Revolutionary War. 270 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Excuse me, excuse me, pardon me. 271 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 No offense. 272 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:12,000 We're in a graveyard next to the courthouse where Anna Colwell and her husband are on the road. 273 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Here it is, Dave. 274 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Is this it? 275 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000 This is it. 276 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Hannah. 277 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Oh, yeah. 278 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 H.A.N.N.A. 279 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Hannah H.H. 280 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 H.A.N.N.A. 281 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,000 And Reverend James Colwell. 282 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 So they're in another world here. 283 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Wow. 284 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000 And that's got to be all the kids. 285 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Yep. 286 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Coldwell family, are you here? 287 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,000 It would be good if Hannah could speak to us. 288 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 I'm not sure. 289 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 I'm not sure. 290 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 I'm not sure. 291 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 I'm not sure. 292 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 I'm not sure. 293 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000 I'm not sure. 294 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,000 It would be good if Hannah could speak to us. 295 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Or Reverend, if you're here with us, or children, if you're here. 296 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Are you happy? 297 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Are you confused? 298 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:07,000 We're holding a device in my hand right here that could both see you and hear you, but you need to really try hard. 299 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Please make yourself known somehow. 300 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,000 He's a dead around here, Dave. 301 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 I'm very proud of my father. 302 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 He did a lot of stuff in his time, and he's still doing a lot of stuff. 303 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 He's with us, investigating a place that he's been here 35 years ago. 304 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:37,000 He's actually the reason I got into ghost hunting, so I'm really happy that I could give something back. 305 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Steve, Tango, Brett, Amy, let's get the lights on, guys. We're going to wrap. 306 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Yep, we're coming in. 307 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,000 All right. 308 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:54,000 It was especially challenging here to debunk the claims, because these people are in the business of getting to the bottom of things. 309 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,000 And whatever doesn't get past them, it just really leaves us with some tough work. 310 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Hey, you never know. Hannah may have walked all through the whole building and our cameras caught her, so we'll wait and make our final determination after the evidence is reviewed. 311 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Okay. 312 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Hey, Ralph. So we're all wrapped up. 313 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Now what we're going to do over the next few days is analyze the evidence and see if anything turns up. 314 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Come back, I'll let you know. 315 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,000 There's a lot of history here in this courthouse. I'm anxious to see fact versus fiction. 316 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 How's our we? 317 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000 How's our we? 318 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 We'll get some sleep, okay? 319 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Take care. Have a good night. 320 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 We've got a lot of stuff to go over. I see you're in front of the DVR there. 321 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Yes, sir. 322 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 I'm going to start. 323 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000 And with all that stuff? 324 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Okay. 325 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Hey, Steve. 326 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 I've been looking at the records room. 327 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Yeah. 328 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Right? Look over here. 329 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Mm-hmm. 330 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Now it's a constant movement, but it's sporadic throughout the whole time. 331 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 And I can't figure out where it's coming from or what it is. 332 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 You see it right there. 333 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000 It's very small. 334 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 There. See it? 335 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Oh, yeah. 336 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Hmm. 337 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000 What's that? 338 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,000 You know what? I think we should show it to them. 339 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 It is interesting. 340 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Well, I'm going to keep this and play it for them. 341 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Okay. 342 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Hey, Tango. 343 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,000 What's something interesting here on one of the many DV tapes? 344 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Now, Dave, this is in the records room. Take a look here. 345 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 All right. 346 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Now, if you'll see that, but it's clearly a path or a hallway, 347 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000 you'll see somebody walking towards the camera 348 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 and then take a right-hand turn. 349 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Take a look. 350 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Oh, look at that. 351 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 What the hell was that? 352 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Hey. 353 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Hey. 354 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000 How's it going? 355 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Good. So Union County Courthouse. This place was cool. 356 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Were you guys able to catch anything there? 357 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 I tell you what, we came out pretty lucky. 358 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Really? 359 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Sure. 360 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Okay. The first thing we're going to show you is on the DVR. 361 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 And when I was watching this, this is obviously the lights are on. 362 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000 We're still setting up. 363 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000 And the whole time while the lights are on, 364 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 I'm seeing a constant movement over here, 365 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 but it's not the same sporadic. 366 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Come out a little bit and then it happens again. 367 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000 It looks like there's a piece of paper taped to the wall 368 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 that's being lifted by the air current or something. 369 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000 You son of a bitch. 370 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 That's exactly what it is. 371 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Great. 372 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 You were perfect. 373 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 That was great. 374 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Really? We racked our brains thinking, 375 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000 what the hell? 376 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000 But thank you. 377 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000 All right. 378 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000 We'll go down. 379 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Yeah, one down. 380 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 I'm going to show you a mini DV. 381 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 And this is the records room. 382 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,000 And we see an image of a person, definitely a person walking. 383 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,000 She's coming, coming more, and then takes a right-hand turn. 384 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 You see that? 385 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 I'm going to hit. 386 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Shoot, I don't know. 387 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Where were we at this time? 388 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,000 You guys are right there. 389 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,000 The records room. 390 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Being a spirit, being lost over, hanging around for whatever. 391 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 So you guys are clearly, whatever it is, 392 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000 it's moving pretty quick. 393 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,000 If that's actually we were able to catch and a cold well, 394 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000 that's huge. 395 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Hey Sheriff, it's good to see you again. 396 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 It's good to be seen. 397 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Have you been okay? 398 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000 We're doing okay. 399 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Well, you know what we did? 400 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 We came in, you gave us a tour of the location, 401 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 you showed us the hotspots, filled us in about the claims 402 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 of activity that had been witnessed in these areas over the years. 403 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,000 We were hoping, as we investigated to either find evidence 404 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 of Hannah Caldwell and her husband, we'll be able to debunk it. 405 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Okay guys, what can you tell me? 406 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Well, throughout the night, yeah, we had some strange things 407 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,000 that happened, and we'll get into those. 408 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 But a few other things that we, I think we were able to kind 409 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000 of figure out, one thing being right here in the records room 410 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 that we're in now, at one time there were claims, 411 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000 the door opened and closed by itself. 412 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Well, we opened the window at the other end, 413 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,000 and the way the wind comes blaring through the city, 414 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000 it creates a back draft, pulling the door open, 415 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,000 and then lets it close. 416 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000 So is that exactly what they experienced that night? 417 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 No idea, but we were able to recreate that. 418 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Now, there were other claims that we couldn't get to the bottom 419 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 of it, the apparition, out in the cemetery, 420 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000 and we were able to explain that away. 421 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 The reports of Hannah coming in through the courtroom 422 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,000 to visit the portrait of her husband, no explanation for it, 423 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,000 but above and beyond that we did have some odd experiences. 424 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Now, things are taking place, things are active. 425 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Well, you can form your own conclusions, 426 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000 we'll just tell you what we experienced. 427 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Bruce Tangle was with his son Dave Tangle and Steve 428 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 in the Rotunda, so Bruce Tangle was on one side of the Rotunda 429 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,000 by himself in Pitch Black, and he heard a series 430 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000 of steps approached from behind him, 431 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000 and he called out to his son Dave thinking that maybe he was 432 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000 returning and he could hear Dave over on the other side 433 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 of the Rotunda with Steve. 434 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000 And then it happened again, and once again they were all 435 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 on the other side of the Rotunda. 436 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Well, I don't know if it would convince a jury. 437 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Well, we do have a piece of evidence that might help a jury 438 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000 make a decision. 439 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 This room that we're sitting in right now, 440 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000 during the investigation Grant and I were down at the center 441 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000 of the room, just discussing everything going on here 442 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 in the records room, and one of our cameras was able to pick 443 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 something up over on this side of the room. 444 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Here we go. 445 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 You can hear Jane I talking. 446 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000 I'm on the same world, man. 447 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000 I watch you. 448 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 It must be really strange to me being a spirit. 449 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 You see this? 450 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Watch what happens. 451 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 I'm hanging around for whatever reason. 452 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Did you catch that? 453 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Yes, I did. 454 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Now look over there, what do you see? 455 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000 There's no way to walk there. 456 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Exactly. 457 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Here it comes. 458 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 See here? 459 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 There it is, and boom. 460 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Now when you did this, it was dark. 461 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Oh, yeah. 462 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,000 It was pitch black. 463 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,000 We're completely unaware that anything had transpired. 464 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Being a spirit, being left over, hanging around for whatever reason. 465 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 We were excited to get back into this records room, Sheriff, 466 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,000 because we wanted to see if there was any place for someone to go, 467 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000 and there just isn't. 468 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Well, and another thing that excited me was, 469 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000 it almost looks female in nature the way it moves, 470 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,000 because at one point it looks as if somebody or something 471 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,000 puts its hands out like this, like pulling something around. 472 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000 Like a woman might do with one of the, you know, the shaw type things. 473 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 There was a smoothness to the motion. 474 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,000 It was. 475 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,000 In the dark. 476 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:03,000 In the dark, and that's the part when you say, this is pitch dark. 477 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Yeah, the only reason you can see this is because the infrared. 478 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,000 There are some special cameras. 479 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Yep. 480 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 It has its own mass, too. 481 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Being a spirit, being left over, hanging around for whatever reason. 482 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Now that would, that would have to have walked right through. 483 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Through a column. 484 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Those mortgage books. 485 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000 I don't know how to explain it. 486 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 I was expecting to find maybe some opening there 487 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 that we could maybe explain this away, 488 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 but Sheriff, we have no, we have no answer for you on that one. 489 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000 The door's open to further exploration. 490 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:39,000 I gotta be honest, Sheriff, this footage was amazing to us before, 491 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,000 but now sitting in this room and seeing that there's no path for a solid person to follow, 492 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 I just want to let you know that we've been doing this for about 20 years. 493 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 We've seen a lot of crazy stuff, 494 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,000 and this one is really starting to climb the ranks. 495 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000 It's very interesting. 496 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 We'll take you up on that offer. 497 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 We'll get back out here and we'll check this place out some more for you. 498 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 All right. 499 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Thanks for having us, Sheriff. 500 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Thank you. 501 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 This is a pleasure. 502 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000 Thanks, Sheriff. 503 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 Let's get out of here. 504 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000 I'm impressed with what I saw. 505 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000 Remember, I'm a cop. 506 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,000 I've coped 50 years, and I'm a little cynical. 507 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 I have to see things. 508 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 I saw things. 509 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,000 I saw things that make me not a believer, but not a disbeliever, 510 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000 and I'm anxious to see more. 511 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Well, that was great, man. 512 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Just to see his take on it, and he was impressed. 513 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000 That's 50 years experience. 514 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,000 And to be sitting there in the room and see that there was no place for that entity to go 515 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000 really kind of caught me off guard. 516 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,000 I thought we were going to find something to present to him that made sense, 517 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 but we really don't have anything. 518 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Left with more questions now. 519 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Right. 520 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Honestly, I'm still left scratching my head on. 521 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000 That's some really good footage. 522 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Not only do you have an apparition, we can't explain, 523 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 but it walks right through a wall of records. 524 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Bottom line, man. 525 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Another great case, brother. 526 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Yes, an excellent case. 527 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Do Hampshire. I just love going there. 528 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Yeah. 529 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Well, let's find out what is going on with this family. 530 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000 Hey, Chris, what's going on at this house? 531 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000 They've had a ton of things happen here, Jay. 532 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 There are doors open and closed. 533 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Music will play on its own. 534 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 What's some of the history there? It's a really old home, right? 535 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000 It is an old home. It was built back in 1856. 536 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Are we looking at a huge place or just a regular size house? 537 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 It's a decent size home. 538 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000 It's three-story. 539 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,000 We do also have to remember, guys, that they do have a child. 540 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000 They want to truly know what's going on in this house, 541 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000 so they can explain it to the child. 542 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 As it gets older, it kind of takes away the fear. 543 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000 All right, guys, we're almost there, so let's do this. 544 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Hello, Renee. Nice to meet you. 545 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Hi, Grant. Nice to meet you. 546 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Thank you for coming. Welcome to our home. 547 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 I feel like we have a lot of things that happen, 548 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 and our daughter just turned one. 549 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000 We'd like to be able to tell her at some point, 550 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000 either, you know, when people die, 551 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000 sometimes they stay around and they won't harm her, 552 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 or maybe we'll just say it's an old house that makes a lot of noise. 553 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 We actually think that there are children here. 554 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,000 There's a rumor that there was a family that lived here, 555 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 that had seven children. 556 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Five of them died in the house of a TV outbreak. 557 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Oh, geez. We'll look into that. 558 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Do you want to give us a tour of the house and show us the house? 559 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000 I'd love to show you, Rhett. 560 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 All right, after you. Thanks. 561 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 So what goes on over here? 562 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Well, this used to be the TV room when we first moved in. 563 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000 We had a couch set up in there, 564 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 and every time we would come back in to watch TV again, 565 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 the couch would move away from the end table, 566 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 so it would move about a foot, 567 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 so we would push it back towards the end table, 568 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000 and then when we would come back to watch TV again, 569 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 it was shifted. 570 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000 All right, so where to now? 571 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000 So now we're going to go upstairs and check out the guest rooms. 572 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000 This is the upstairs front guest room, 573 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000 and one night my mom was here visiting, 574 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000 and she slept on this bed. 575 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000 It was about three o'clock in the morning, 576 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000 and I was awakened by my bed shaking. 577 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000 It lasted about 20 to 30 seconds, 578 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000 and then it was finished. 579 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000 The other thing is, I was actually in the bathroom, 580 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000 and our dog started barking at this door, 581 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000 barking and barking, 582 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000 and so eventually the door opened for him 583 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 and let him in the room. 584 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000 So for the door to have opened, 585 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 it would have had to open uphill, 586 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000 which wouldn't make any sense. 587 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000 It was more likely to close and open. 588 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Exactly. 589 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Okay, where to now? 590 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Now we're going to go to the nursery. 591 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000 After you. 592 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000 So this is now the nursery. 593 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Okay. 594 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000 I put this rug down, 595 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 and the rug seems to shift, 596 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 actually ends up going underneath the changing table. 597 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000 All right. 598 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,000 And it's carpet on carpet, 599 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 so it doesn't move very easily. 600 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 It usually shifts every time I come in, 601 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 but it'll take about a day and a half 602 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 for it to get all the way under the changing table. 603 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Okay. Interesting. 604 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Okay. 605 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 All right, so where to now? 606 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Now we're going to hit the family room upstairs. 607 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Pretty room. 608 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000 No, thank you. 609 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000 It used to be our master bedroom. 610 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 We had a stereo set up over here. 611 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000 And that stereo is now in our bedroom upstairs in the attic. 612 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 About 3 a.m. early on when we first moved in, 613 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000 it turned on full volume. 614 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000 Geez. 615 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000 So that was a big thing that happened there. 616 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000 What's really interesting is about four or five days ago, 617 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 the same thing happened in our new bedroom. 618 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000 And that was the same exact time as last? 619 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000 Yep, exactly. 620 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Same radio? 621 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Same radio. 622 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000 This is now our master bedroom. 623 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000 It is in here where the CD player went off recently. 624 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000 The other thing that happened here was one time we drove in 625 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 and came home and the light was on. 626 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000 We go into the house. 627 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000 I worked my way up to the second floor 628 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 and I opened up the door and the lights off. 629 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 So I figured the light probably burned out. 630 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Checked the switch. 631 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000 The switch was in the off position. 632 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000 And checked the bulb was fine. 633 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Flicked the light. 634 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000 It was fine. 635 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000 There was no way we could explain it. 636 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000 Okay. 637 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,000 So is that it? 638 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,000 All the locations? 639 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000 That's about it. 640 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000 All right, Renee, what we're going to do from here 641 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000 is go talk to the rest of the crew, 642 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000 start setting up equipment, 643 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000 and get the investigation going. 644 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Okay. 645 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000 We just got done with Renee doing the tour here 646 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000 at the McNeil House and it's a beautiful home. 647 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 A lot of the reports are just objects moving, 648 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 which gives us a lot of hope that we'll catch 649 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,000 some very concrete physical evidence of activity here. 650 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000 All right, guys, so we're all set. 651 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000 If you want to take a look here, 652 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,000 I'll show you these camera angles. 653 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Camera one, that's of course the bedroom. 654 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000 The bed shakes, the guest bedroom. 655 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Camera two, now that's the master bedroom. 656 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,000 And our final DVR camera is the child's nursery. 657 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Perfect. 658 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000 This is actually the whole floor space. 659 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 And we're getting the rug that supposedly moves. 660 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000 All right, sounds good, guys. 661 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Let's get the lights out. 662 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Now let's do the investigation. 663 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000 I wonder if they've got something here 664 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000 that's shaking the house or walking around the house a lot. 665 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Granddad headed in the house and started investigating. 666 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000 We headed into the bedroom up here 667 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 where the bed supposedly shakes. 668 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000 I want to lay on this bed for a couple minutes 669 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000 and see if I get any shake. 670 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Okay. 671 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 All right, let's see. 672 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Give me a favor, just like shut one of the doors 673 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,000 or something hard. 674 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000 I just want to feel, 675 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000 I want you to actually feel it here. 676 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:39,000 I can definitely feel it, but the bed's pretty solid. 677 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Yeah, it's solid. 678 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000 I don't want to break the bed, 679 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 but it can take a lot to really wake you up. 680 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,000 They were saying it was like violent shakes. 681 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000 We forgot this door. 682 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000 I experimented with the door that supposedly just opened 683 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 for the dog when he was barking at it. 684 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Do you see that? 685 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Yeah, it swings open. 686 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 So it does naturally open. 687 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000 I didn't do anything. 688 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000 I just turned the knob. 689 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000 Watch. 690 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000 Release it from the jam. 691 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Look at that. 692 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Yeah. 693 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000 It naturally wants to open. 694 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000 I think the dog was barking. 695 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Maybe the door wasn't closed all the way. 696 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000 It finally pushed, you know, hit the door that's paw 697 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 and popped it open. 698 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 This is the nursery, Dave. 699 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Now this is the rug you're standing on. 700 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Oh, sure. 701 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000 That supposedly moves. 702 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000 We put down tape at the corner of the changing room rugs. 703 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000 That way we can gauge any of the movement. 704 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Seems to be, you know, down pretty good. 705 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 She says by the course of a day and a half 706 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 it ends up underneath this thing. 707 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000 Underneath there? 708 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Yeah. 709 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Why in that direction? 710 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000 In that direction, directly that way? 711 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Yeah. 712 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 That's where the baby changing table is. 713 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000 The natural thing to do, 714 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000 you bring the baby over here, 715 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000 see what happens when you're walking. 716 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000 The natural thing to do, 717 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 you bring the baby over here, 718 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 see what we're here doing this, whatever. 719 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000 You don't step back and then turn, you know, 720 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 you turn right here. 721 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000 You know what I mean? 722 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Right. 723 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000 I was giving him a little kick. 724 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000 You're right. 725 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000 You're right. 726 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000 And they just take off from here. 727 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000 And it's clearly going to disrupt this rug a little bit. 728 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000 And if you do that the course, you know, 729 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000 two, three times, four times in a day, 730 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 next thing you know it's going to be, look at that. 731 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000 See, it goes right back to the way it was. 732 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000 It goes flat. 733 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Yeah. 734 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000 I think we got this one. 735 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000 I think this is disproved. 736 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 But you know what? 737 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Let's let the DVR camera run. 738 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000 We'll be able to watch it. 739 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 We'll even be able to scan it a little bit. 740 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000 Maybe it'll move. 741 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000 I may suggest to them get some double stick tape 742 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 and we just secure it there 743 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 and see if that solves that problem. 744 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000 Chris, I started investigating the room 745 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000 where there are reports of a couch in that area that moved. 746 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 There's no sofa in here. 747 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000 There's no sofa. 748 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000 That's kind of hard to figure out 749 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000 what would make it move if it's not even in here to begin with. 750 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000 We'll set this up on the bed for a second 751 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000 and see how much like our vibration is affected 752 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,000 walking around in here. 753 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000 A geophone attacks vibrations very sensitive. 754 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000 There's an actual footstep. 755 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 It'll register on this device. 756 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 It doesn't take much to set the geophone off. 757 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000 These fours, I think it really carries these fours. 758 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,000 I just wonder if you have something sitting on a hardwood floor 759 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 over time, people walking through the house 760 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000 if it would just slide. 761 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Being hardwood, it's definitely easier than it would be. 762 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 Right. 763 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Then if it was carpet. 764 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000 It is an older house. 765 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 That's the other thing too. 766 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000 The fours could be slanted. 767 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000 Yeah, I bet they're uneven. 768 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000 Things move suspiciously here. 769 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Now it's cold back. 770 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000 All right. 771 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000 These fours are not level. 772 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,000 We discovered pretty fast that the floors in that room 773 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 are completely off kilter. 774 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000 I mean, we could put my flashlight on the ground 775 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000 and it would just roll all over the place. 776 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000 So hardwood slanted and vibrations, 777 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000 I bet the three of them would help for an even more 778 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000 long-term use of the geophone. 779 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000 So we're going to go ahead and set up the geophone. 780 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000 I mean, and vibrations, I bet the three of them 781 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 would help for an object to slide. 782 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000 It made me wonder how many of the reports in this house 783 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000 of objects moving were actually just due to the way 784 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000 the floors have settled. 785 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 I mean, this is an old house and there's a lot of variations 786 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,000 in the level on the floor. 787 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Amy. 788 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 What? 789 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 One of the reports is a radio pop and on. 790 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000 It's on. 791 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000 That's one of the reports. 792 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 So this isn't an alarm clock? 793 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000 I don't know. 794 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000 While we're trying to debunk the radio and the adequate one 795 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000 off, Amy. 796 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000 What? 797 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000 One of the reports is a radio pop and on. 798 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 The radio just went on. 799 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 It's on. 800 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000 I'm sure it's off. 801 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 That's one of the reports. 802 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000 So this isn't an alarm clock? 803 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 I don't know. 804 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000 While we're trying to debunk the radio and the adequate one 805 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 off, Amy. 806 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,000 Amy. 807 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000 While we're trying to debunk the radio and the attic 808 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000 went off, so the two of us came running up to the attic. 809 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000 The stereo was blaring like their experience was. 810 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000 We tried to figure out what happened, why it would go off. 811 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000 Two, three. 812 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000 It went on right at two o'clock. 813 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Timer. 814 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Now why would they set it for two a.m.? 815 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,000 I don't know. 816 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000 It wasn't out like this when I was setting that camera up. 817 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Oh yeah, they pulled it out. 818 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000 I wonder if it's the fault into that when they unplugged it. 819 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 So we decided to get Steve and Tang when involved because we couldn't 820 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 figure out this thing for the life of us. 821 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000 Perhaps the timer said he didn't know it. 822 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000 Yeah. 823 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,000 It went on and he just assumed it went off because of paranormal reasons. 824 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,000 This thing could just be popping on by itself randomly and they could be 825 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,000 thinking that it's paranormal when really it's just a preset alarm 826 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 that they don't know how to turn off or how to work. 827 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Steve, Tang, oh, Chris, Amy, we're going to wrap social 828 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000 surveillance. 829 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000 So we're wrapping it up. 830 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000 I think we've been able to debunk a lot of the claims, but there's also some 831 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000 things that we've not been able to figure out, the vibration of the bed, 832 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000 possible voices that they've heard in the home. 833 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,000 The main goal is to try to figure out what's going on and come back and let 834 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Renee know so she feels comfortable. 835 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000 Hi, welcome to the USGS. 836 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 What is it that you guys do here? 837 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,000 Well, the USGS studies the natural sciences, including earthquakes. 838 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,000 We just recently did a case in Hoppington, New Hampshire and we had a lot of 839 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000 reports of furniture shaking. 840 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,000 We're trying to get other reasons for why this might be happening. 841 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Well, you don't normally think of earthquakes in Maine and New Hampshire, 842 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000 but they do happen. 843 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,000 Could there be somewhere maybe, you know, furniture will shake or objects 844 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,000 might move just a little bit and people might not feel it themselves. 845 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000 What people feel is very much an individual perception. 846 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000 Certainly it would be in the realm of possibility that there could be 847 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,000 something moving, maybe dishes falling off of a shelf and a person didn't 848 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 necessarily feel the shaking. 849 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,000 There was one earthquake that we had in Manassas that was felt extremely 850 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,000 locally in a store and items were knocked off the shelf. 851 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,000 It was a very minor earthquake about a maybe 2.5 magnitude earthquake. 852 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000 I just want to thank you Diane. 853 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Hopefully this might give them another way of looking at what's going on in 854 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000 their home. 855 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000 Thank you so much. 856 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000 Thank you. 857 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000 Hey Renee, it's good to see you again. 858 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000 Hi, thanks for coming back. 859 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,000 How you been? 860 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000 Okay. 861 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000 I'm good. 862 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Good. 863 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000 How are you? 864 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000 You took us on a tour of the location, you showed us the hotspots, told us about 865 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000 the claims of activity that you and your family have experienced. 866 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000 And from there we ended up setting up the equipment. 867 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000 You guys weren't necessarily afraid but curious and just trying to make sense 868 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000 of it all and you have your little daughter that you're going to be raising 869 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000 and you want to have answers for her, correct? 870 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Exactly. 871 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Yeah, so we kept that in mind throughout the investigation. 872 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000 So the first team in the house was Jay and myself. 873 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,000 We headed upstairs to the guest room where the bed shakes and the door open on 874 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000 its own for one of your dogs. 875 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,000 We found that when you just take that door just away from the door jam, it does 876 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000 swing open into the room. 877 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000 That's its natural flow, it wants to do that. 878 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000 So it looks like it's going uphill because the house is a little crooked. 879 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,000 But I think the door jam or the way it's hung, it actually opens. 880 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000 So as far as the dog, it could have been not closed all the way. 881 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000 And then as the dog barking or clawing at the door, it opened. 882 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000 So that could be it. 883 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,000 Now these are all just other things to think about should this stuff happen again. 884 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000 Something we also found upstairs, like beautiful and old homes, they tend to lean. 885 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,000 Yours says tendency to do it to the middle of the house. 886 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000 You put a marble on the floor and it just takes off across the floor to the center 887 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000 of the house, which I just wanted to let you know. 888 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000 It's one of those things you really don't feel sure-footed when you're standing up there. 889 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000 This brings up a good point. 890 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 We weren't actually able to recreate it, but a theory we had is that it seemed like 891 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000 most of the activity you reported of items moving, they're moving towards the middle 892 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000 of the house, the rug, the couch, or moving towards the center of the house. 893 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:21,000 And I mean, all we could think of that could cause that is we do have tremors here in New England. 894 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000 I know it's not famous for its earthquakes, but we do have them. 895 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000 I've had stuff moving my house and my friend's house is due to that, and you don't even know there's an earthquake. 896 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000 I can't necessarily say that earthquakes would be responsible for that. 897 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,000 But just that's a trend we've noticed is that the things that are moving are moving towards the center of the house. 898 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,000 We walked into your daughter's room, and it was funny because not even paying attention to just walking in, 899 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000 walking through, you turn around and the rug's four inches over closer to the dresser. 900 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,000 And we knew the rug was moving because we had put tape in two places, not touching the rug, 901 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,000 but an inch from the rug on two sides, so we could gauge whenever it moved. 902 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,000 So you maybe get that material, you stick under a rug so it doesn't move. 903 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Now one thing that did catch our team by surprise was the radio that you have up there that started up on its own. 904 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,000 It actually did that at two o'clock in the morning, just turned on really loud. 905 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:16,000 But we found out that the device has a timer, and I think at some point navigating it, that gets turned on. 906 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,000 My suggestion is either read the manual on the device and figure out how to shut that thing off, or get a new radio. 907 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,000 I mean, if an entity is trying to communicate with you by turning on a radio, it'll do it no matter what radio's there. 908 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:35,000 So like I said, we're just getting through, step by step, trying to zoom in on what the heck's going on here. 909 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,000 What I would like to see is to get some sort of a journal, you and your husband, and just keep it around. 910 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,000 When things happen, write down the day and the exact time that they happened and what happened. 911 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000 That way, later on, we might have some sort of correlation on it. 912 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000 So don't be afraid. 913 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000 I'm glad you guys found some answers. 914 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Hopefully you're feeling more comfortable about the situation. That's the main point. 915 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Well Renee, it was a pleasure. Thank you for everything. 916 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000 Thank you for coming. 917 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000 Thank you. 918 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,000 All right, come on, let's get out of here. 919 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,000 It's really interesting to know that the house tilts to the middle, so that explains some of the movement that we've had. 920 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,000 I've really had a great time having taps here, and we welcome them back at any time. 921 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000 Well, I think Renee really understood what we were coming from on that. 922 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Yeah, I mean, they're so down to earth, and I think there's nothing more comforting to a mother than being able to explain away these things. 923 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Absolutely, I agree with that. 924 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:35,000 I think anytime you're able to take some of the fear factor out of it and put reasonable explanations there, it's going to really benefit them and the rest of the family. 925 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000 Of course. 926 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000 Oh, good job, brother. 927 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,000 Yeah, good job. 928 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000 Onto the next.